Carroll Howe

I always think of the Lava Beds as a good way to understand a lot of the story at Crater Lake.

I am happy to sell you any of these books that you want that I have. I was too stupid to keep copies of my first book, and that darn thing is selling in hardcover for $25 now.

I’ve got a paperback edition of it.

It sold for $4.50 when it came out, and I was glad to kiss them goodbye. So many books never even sell the first printing, and I didn’t have much confidence in my ability as an author.

So much for Don Fisher.

He died young, didn’t he?

Oh yes. And his widow married Hal Ogle, who was on the museum commission with me.

Did he have anything to do with thee Klamath County Museum? There seemed to be a lot of supporters in town of it who gave artifacts.

Yes, we gave them everything that’s in there. We bought the Payne collection, which is very valuable. We raised most of the money to buy the Payne collection for the museum. Most of the artifacts in there have been given or loaned to them by amateur collectors. If Frank Payne were alive today, he’d probably be in jail for picking up artifacts on Lower Klamath Lake bed.

I’ve heard of him through Cressman, and then his wife did some writing about Crater Lake.

I don’t know about Crater Lake (6). She wrote a book on the Modoc War called Captain Jack: Modoc Renegade. I don’t think Frank had a great deal of formal education, but he was a very astute scholar in terms of learning everything he could. He had a little bit too much imagination, but a lot of his conclusions and materials have held together pretty well. You’d look out on Lower Klamath Lake and there would be so much dust that it’d obscure the sun to a certain extent.